Hollingsworth v. Perry (formerly Perry v. Schwarzenegger):
California lawsuit challenging constitutionality of Prop. 8
2013-JUN: Some final reactions
to the U.S. Supreme Court's
In this web site, "SSM" is an acronym for "same-sex marriage."
"LGBT" is an acronym for "Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Transgender persons and Transsexuals."
Other reactions to the Supreme Court's ruling (Cont'd)
"JACOBE500" responded to the article in the Los Angeles Times, posted the message:
"Homosexuality is a grave sin that greatly offends the CREATOR. All those that choose to practice this sin instead of virtues then die unrepentant of this sin have chosen an eternity in HELL for themselves. Those that support this sin are in the same boat.
To admonish the sinner or to correct those in sin is still our greatest responsibility to our neighbor. We are not suppose to give adulation to those in sin. To NOT correct the sinner is the deadliest stone one human can throw at another. Look into why Saint John the Baptist was beheaded.
This morally bankrupt decision and all the rejoicing clearly show that millions in this country now choose to believe that God is dead at worst or that Hell does not exist at best. Both of these mythical beliefs will be dispelled as each one adhering to them dies. All of us alive when the Good Lord's chastisement comes will cry bitterly as we all have loved ones who currently support in one way or another the evil culture of death of which homosexuality is a part along with abortion, birth control, mercy killing, euthanasia, genocide, infanticide and drug abuse.
Remember that God will have mercy on us but only if we have the humility to repent and turn away from our sins.
Satan has got the upper hand right now. But we already know the final score of this game. God 1---Satan 0
Only question left is: where will we spend our eternity?" 1
Rev. Bob Schenk, who heads the Faith in Action groups said:
"The great monotheistic faiths have always understood marriage to be, by its very nature, reserved for opposite-sex pairings. Biblical truth does not change by the vote of any majority, including the majority of this court. ..."
"There are plenty of evangelicals and Christians of traditional faith who think it's always good to take power away from the federal government. By striking down DOMA, the court is getting the federal government out of the business of defining the nature of marriage. That's a good thing. The federal government is not and never has been the authority on marriage, even when it tries to do the right thing."
"The discussion is not over and will likely last for hundreds and perhaps thousands of years longer." 2
Among members of Congress:
Michele Bachmann (R) said:
"Marriage was created by the hand of God. No man, not even a Supreme Court, can undo what a holy God has instituted. What the Court has done will undermine the best interest of children and the best interests of the United States."
Barney Frank (D) said:
"We're not all the way there yet, but this is a major step towards it."
Two signs carried outside the Supreme Court building:
- "[Love symbol] & [HRC Equality symbol] for all, Always.
The day there is marriage equality is the day we become more American. 3
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (a.k.a. the LDS Church and the Mormons):
The LDS Church Newsroom issued an official statement: 4
"By ruling that supporters of Proposition 8 lacked standing to bring this case to court, the Supreme Court has highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates. Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens.
In addition, the effect of the ruling is to raise further complex jurisdictional issues that will need to be resolved.
Regardless of the court decision, the Church remains irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage between a man and a woman, which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children. Notably, the court decision does not change the definition of marriage in nearly three-fourths of the states."
Webmaster's note: This is a unexpectedly neutral comment by the LDS Church. When they say that they support "traditional marriage" between a man and a woman, they are saying nothing specific against polygamy which was once promoted by the LDS as the superior form of marriage until it was theoretically suspended in 1890 for an indeterminate interval but which continued until the 1920's in practice. They also did not say anything specifically for or against same-sex marriage. This leaves the door open for the LDS Church to make a future statement saying that it is "irrevocably committed to strengthening" same-sex marriage between two men or two women.
After all, many more liberal religious groups are in favor of promoting both same-sex and opposite-sex marriage.
It may well be only a few decades before they start ignoring same-sex marriage, and only a few decades more before they embrace it. The alternative would be to accept a massive loss in membership and revenue.
Joanna Brooks, writing for Religion Dispatches, commented that although Mormons make up only about 2% of the adult population of California, they contributed about 60% of the $40 million raised to promote the Prop. 8 campaign which successfully terminated SSM in the state starting in 2008-NOV and lasting for 67 months. 5 She noted that:
Spencer Clark, who heads Mormons for Marriage Equality, said:
"We heartily applaud the decision of the US Supreme Court to strike down Section 3 of the Federal Defense of Marriage Act and California’s Proposition 8. This is a victory for hundreds of thousands of families across the country and in California, including many Mormons, who have sought to marry the same-sex partners they love and care for their children." 5
Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote an article titled "Mormons and Gay Marriage" in the Feminist Mormon Housewives (fMh) web site. 5 She said:
"... I think getting politically active in Prop 8 was a huge mistake for the Church. ... I think The Church has realized this as evidenced by the fact that they haven’t touched political mobilizing with a ten foot pole in the years since.
"... Mormons were guilty of saying some very ugly things during that campaign, things that were cruel and very hateful in their effect on gay folks and the friends and family who love them. But Mormonism isn’t a hateful religion, and (minus a few trolls) most Mormons who said those ugly things, most Mormons who mobilized and put up lawn signs and made phone calls and gave their money didn’t do it out of hate. They did it because they wanted to be obedient and they wanted to do what The Church asked them to do and what they thought the Lord wanted them to do. They were pressured by their leaders and their friends and family and by our culture; they didn’t think about the effect it would have on real live gay people. They didn’t want to be hateful, didn’t see themselves at hateful, they just wanted to do what is right.
Mormonism is a religion that puts a lot of emphasis on obedience. We are expected to make big sacrifices. We are expected to give our time and our money and even our comfort. ..."
"But for the Mormon folk deeply affected, the gay Mormons, and the Mormons who love the gays, it was a devastating time. And the church lost literally thousands of members over that mistake. ..."
"I think the Church has made astounding progress on this issue since 2008 (in light of the Church’s standard glacial pace of progress making). And I think church members too are making progress, I know that the tone toward gays in my suburban mountain west ward has changed a great deal for the better. ..."
"If you are happy about today’s decisions, please listen to your family and friends who are sad and ask them to help you understand. And if you are upset about today’s decisions, please listen to your family and friends who are happy and ask them to help you understand.
And no matter what side of the issue you fall on, please let’s not spread fear and ugly words about each other. We have nothing to fear.
She received 461 responses to her article. A small sampling follows: 6
- Lorian Dunlop posted:
"Far too many gay people over the years have done everything they could to put wills and other legal documents in place to protect the rights and inheritance of their partners, only to have, when they died, their relatives come swooping in and claiming before the courts that the bereaved partner is not entitled to the assets of the deceased, having the will overturned, and turning the partner out in the streets. Same with documents which would have permitted the partner to make medical and end-of-life decisions in the hospital. Far too many partners have been denied access to their spouse’s bedside in the hospital, and refused the ability to make medical decisions with their spouse’s doctor, because blood relatives have come in and insisted that the hospital deny them access.
"The Church has a single, undeviating standard of sexual morality: intimate relations are proper only between a husband and a wife united in the bonds of matrimony.
The Church’s opposition to same-sex marriage neither constitutes nor condones any kind of hostility towards homosexual men and women. Protecting marriage between a man and a woman does not affect Church members’ Christian obligations of love, kindness and humanity toward all people. ..."
"No one here is fighting for civil rights…they are fighting for the de-valuation of the divine institution of marriage, as it stands as the vital instrument necessary for sustaining the family unit in society and eternity."
Lorian Dunlop again posted:
"... churches, despite the slowness of their rate of change and the fact that they tend to lag way behind society in recognizing their own errors, ultimately have to change if they want to keep attracting followers. Notice how few churches teach anymore that blacks and whites shouldn’t intermarry. Yet when I was a child, such teaching was commonplace.
Yeah, churches will change their teaching on homosexuality, ultimately. Not because they are forced to do so, but because as society comes to accept its mistakes and change its treatment of discriminated minorities, churches slowly and reluctantly follow suit, or they stop attracting members and tithes. ..."
"No, Reed. No. You don’t get to define the terms for everyone else. You don’t get to tell me what I’m fighting for. I’m fighting for CIVIL RIGHTS for my family, for my children. I don’t give two figs about what you consider the “divine institution of marriage.” I care about *civil* marriage, which is not defined by the church (LDS or any other) but rather, by the government."
- Dissonancy" posted:
"...I did find it ironic/hypocritical that the church would reaffirm their support of 'traditional marriage between a man and a woman' considering that Mormons STILL believe that polygamy is the 'Celestial Law' and will eventually be practiced again."
The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.
Maura Dolan, Jean Merl, Maria LaGanga and Anthony York, "Same-sex weddings to resume in California soon, officials say." Los Angeles Times, 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.latimes.com/
"Prop 8 ruling legalizes gay marriage in California... 8," KPCC public radio, 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.scpr.org/
Matt Wilstein, "The Best And Worst Reactions To The Supreme Court’s Historic Marriage Equality Rulings," Mediaite," 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-best-and-worst-reactions-to-the-supreme-courts-historic-marriage-equality-rulings
Joanna Brooks, "Mormons Absorb SCOTUS Prop 8 Ruling," Religion Dispatches, 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.religiondispatches.org/
Church Responds to
Supreme Court Marriage Rulings," LDS Newsroom news release, 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/
Deirdre Saoirse Moen, "Mormons and Gay Marriage," Feminist Mormon Housewives, 2013-JUN-26, at: http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/
Copyright © 2013 by Ontario Consultants on Religious
Original posting: 2013-JUN-26
Latest update: 2013-JUL-21
Author: B.A. Robinson