PART 7:
THOUGHT PROVOKING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED; WITH OUR RESPONSES

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Interesting Emails discussed in this essay:

Adam & Eve and homosexuality:
This is a continuation of the previous question in this series: "How can a Christian disbelieve
any major part of the Bible?"
Incoming Email: "If a person that is gay claims to Christian, then the story
of Adam and Eve cannot be supported in their belief system. I would see a gay person being more inclined to believe in evolution."
Our response: Christians hold diverse beliefs about
whether an adults sexual orientation can be changed,
and what is the cause(s) of one's sexual orientation.
The Garden of Eden story need present no problem to gays and lesbians who are
either conservative or liberal Christians:
 | Conservative Christians tend to follow the historical teachings of
Christianity. They interpret the story as indicating the
fall
of humanity, and the entry of sin and death into the world. |
 | Many Liberal Conservatives take one of two positions:
 | Some interpret the
story of the Garden as a simple religious myth derived from earlier
Mesopotamian and Babylonian sources that contains very helpful
material for one's spiritual understanding and guidance. But the story is unrelated
to
real events. |
 | Others consider that the Adam and Eve story really represents
the rise, not the fall, of humanity. It describes in symbolic form how
proto-humans -- human like species who were more animal like than human -- became fully human
by the development of a moral sense. |
Neither interpretation would necessarily present unique problems for gays and
lesbians. They might, for example, believe that sin did enter the world
through the behavior of Adam and Eve, and that it taints humanity and the rest
of the world to the present day. But they might also consider all safe and consensual sexual
activity by a committed couple in accordance with their sexual orientation to be free of sin, whether the couple is of
the same or opposite genders. Thus, even if they interpret the Adam and
Eve
story as introducing sin to the universe, they might not accept an
inevitable connection between
homosexual activity and sin. They might consider same-sex behavior
to be sinful only if it is non-consensual, manipulative, unsafe, performed by
person(s) with a heterosexual orientation, or outside of a committed
relationship.
You commented on homosexuals and the belief in
evolution. I have never seen any statistics on this.
Surveys have shown that over 99% of biological and
geological scientists believe that evolution really happened; some of them
would be gay or lesbian. Most American adults believe in either
theistic
evolution or naturalistic evolution. I would guess that evolution is more
common among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on the basis that many
gays and lesbians have been rejected by their faith groups. This might
tend to make homosexuals reject their faith group's teachings. |

"If you say Jesus sinned then I know you ar [sic] from Satan!!"
Actually, we didn't say that. You are apparently referring to our essay "Did
Jesus lead a sinless life?."
In the essay, we explained that from a conservative Christian viewpoint, Jesus
-- and God the Father -- is incapable of sin. Then we explain that if one looked
upon Jesus as a human being, subject to Jewish and Roman law, that he is alleged
to have committed actions which most people would consider as serious sin --
even criminal acts. This included: conspiracy to steal an animal, aggravated
assault in a religious building, violating various of the Mosaic laws, etc.
These latter beliefs are held by many religious liberals and secularists.
The point of our essays -- and of many other essays on our web site -- is that
there over 1,000 Christian organizations in the U.S. and Canada who teach many
different beliefs about Jesus, God, Christianity, the Bible, morality, human
sexuality, etc. Our web site merely tries to explain all sides to each topic.
This principle extends also to our essays on abortion access,
equal rights for
gays and lesbians, spanking,
death penalty, etc.
We do not normally reach conclusions in our essays. We merely report the full
diversity of beliefs held by people of disparate theological backgrounds. We are
merely reporters, not innovative theologians.

How do I find the one true religion?
Incoming Email: "Where I live, people who follow different
Christian denominations argue with each other. So do people from different
religions. How can I know which religion and which denomination is the true
one?
Our response: The basic problem is that religions tend to be based on faith. Thus
they cannot easily be proven or disproven. If there were a way to prove religious
truth then the one "true" religion would be found or
created, and everyone would
convert to it.
Religion has to be accepted on faith. People come
from different faith traditions and accept different religious belief systems as
true. There is a massive disagreement among religions and among
different traditions with a single religion. Some religions teach that the
number of Gods is zero; at least one teaches that Gods and Goddesses number
in the millions. They teach very different beliefs about social problems,
like abortion access, and
equal rights for gays and lesbians including the
right to marry.
Still, almost all religions to share one belief in common: the Ethic of Reciprocity (a.k.a. the
Golden Rule). It is expressed in slightly different ways by many different religions. If everyone were to follow the Golden Rule as
taught by their faith group, the world would be a much less violent and more loving place. That might be a good place for you to
start. If you integrate the Golden Rule ito your life and base your interactions with other people on it, then you have at least a base from
which to search for theological answers.
There may be no way of proving which
religion is "true." But we can try to determine which religions
are the most useful. By
observing followers of different faith groups, we can see which ones are the
most loving and which are the most hate-filled; which groups encourage
violence, and which encourage peace and cooperation.

Incoming Email: How do we know whether Jesus died on the cross and was
resurrected three days later?
Our response: Actually, the most common interpretation of the gospels is
that Jesus died on a Friday afternoon and was resurrected sometime before the
early morning of the following Sunday. This means that, in modern terminology,
he was resurrected within a day and a half of his
death, not three days as is often said.
There are many theories about the existence of Jesus
and the events related to his death. For example:
 | Conservative Christians are absolutely certain that Jesus was executed by the Romans via crucifixion,
died, was resurrected, and later ascended to Heaven. They regard the Bible as
inerrant. Jesus' death is described in all four
Gospels. They feel that there is no possibility that it did not happen as it
is explained in the Bible. |
 | Many liberal Christians also believe that Jesus was crucified, died, and
resurrected. However, they believe that many of the details of these events
in the gospels are inaccurate. They represent religious propaganda against
Judaism, and an attempt to absolve the Roman
Empire from responsibility in Jesus' death. They tend to pay greater
attention to his teachings than his death. |
 | Muslims, followers of Islam, generally believe that Jesus did not die on the cross but was elevated to Paradise by God while he was still alive.
They base this on the belief that God would never have allowed one of his main prophets to be executed in this way.
Since Jesus did not die, he was not resurrected. Muslims generally regard
Jesus as the second greatest prophet in history, exceeded in importance only
by Muhammad. |
 | Gnostic Christians hold a variety of beliefs:
 | Some promote Docetism, the belief that Christ was pure
spirit and only had a phantom body; that is, Jesus merely appeared to be
human to his followers. They reasoned that a true emissary from the Supreme
God could not have been overcome by the evil of the world, and to have
suffered and died. |
 | Other Gnostics believe that Christ did die on the cross. They define his
resurrection as occurring when his spirit was
liberated from his body. |
|
 | Some liberal Christian theologians, religious skeptics, and others believe that Jesus
existed, was crucified on the cross or stake, and his body was tossed into a mass grave site to be
eaten by scavengers. Jesus was not resurrected nor did he ascent to Heaven. |
 | Other liberal theologians believe that:
 | Jesus was an itinerant rabbi in first century CE
Palestine, but that most of the content of Gospels are of events that never
happened; they were invented by biblical authors to promote their
theological beliefs. In particular, the Gospel of John contains very little
historically accurate material, or |
 | His life story was based on an individual who lived in the second or
third century BCE, overlaid with a lot of fictional
material, or |
 | Jesus was not a real person. The stories of his life were based on prophecies in the Old
Testament, augmented with fables and myths from other heroes/god-men/saviors, like
Krishna from India and Osiris from Egypt |
|
These various belief systems, and others, cannot be resolved. There will
probably never be a consensus about the existence, life, death and
resurrection of Jesus. 
Incoming Email, with spelling and punctuation unchanged, alternating
with our responses:
 | "if you promote religious freedpm then why to name other
religions as bad."
 | I don't think that we label any religion, or any belief that
they teach, as bad. However, we do criticize actions by specific
religious groups which harm others. We also compare the teachings of
various religions with each other and with the findings of science. |
|
 | "All religion is based on one thing Speculation and the fact that
people ruin there lives trying to live by gods word is a joke."
 | There are hundreds of different religions in the world. I think
that a lot of people would agree with you, except for their own
religion. Most people consider their own religion to be true and
good, even as they regard other religions as being false. Among
those who worship a deity, many believe that their God or Goddess or
Gods or Goddesses are the only deity or deities in existence. |
|
 | "no one can prove there is a god."
 | True. No one has yet proven the existence of a God. But then,
nobody has disproved the existence of a God either. |
|
 | "And why is there so many different variations of religion."
 | This is because over the last millennia, individuals all over
the world have tried their best to create religions based on their
concept of deity, of ethics, world origins, rituals, the status of
people of different races, genders, sexual orientations, religions,
etc. They did this largely independently of each other, and thus
arrived at completely different religions. Of course, many people
feel that humans did not create their God. Rather, they believe that
their God created humans and revealed the one true religion to
humanity. They feel that all of the other religions, and all of the
other traditions within their own religion, are in error to some
extent . |
|
 | "i thought they were all wanting the same thing but still using
religion as an excuse to kill people."
 | True. They all want people to live up to the expectations of
their deity. They also, with few exceptions, teach the
Ethic of Reciprocity (a.k.a. The Golden
Rule). However, religions have generally done a bad job teaching
their membership that the Ethic refers to all humans, not just
fellow members. They often teach that persons of a given race,
gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. are sub-human and not
worthy to receive full human rights. Once you have defined people as
sub-human, it is easy to demonize them, discriminate against them,
oppress them, and even exterminate them. This path leads to the gas
ovens. |
|
 | "So to end with ill say that probably your whole site is an error"
 | Since we explain all viewpoints, and because there are generally
at least two viewpoints on each issue -- from
abortion access to same-sex marriage;
from the atonement to
heaven/hell -- then any given visitor will
see almost all of our essays as containing errors. We expect that.
It is unavoidable |
|

Incoming Email, with spelling and punctuation unchanged, alternating
with our responses:
 | Where in the F--K do you plan to tell me you found a group of
CATHOLICS that support widespread access to abortion? Have you lost your
f--king MIND trying to pawn off that bulls--t?
 | We normally do not reply to abusive letters. However, your
letter contained so many factual errors that I feel moved to
respond. There is a Roman Catholic group -- that is a group of
individuals who were baptized Roman Catholics and have continued as
devout members of the religion -- who are members of "Catholics
for Free Choice." They publish a periodical which we have seen
on the newsstands of large book stores. They, and other similar
groups promote access to abortion. I suggest that you go to
www.google.com and use the
search string "catholics
for free choice" You will get about 874 hits. |
|
 | What do you do...just make s--t up and post it? Did you even ask ONE
question before putting this dumb ass s--t out there for public
consumption?
 | We are at a loss to understand this sentence. We are quite aware
that the magesterium of the Catholic church is unalterably opposed
to abortion. But we are also aware that there are devout Catholics
who feel that the magesterium is wrong. These members of the laity
promote abortion access and choice. Finally, there are the Roman
Catholics themselves. In the United States, the incidence of
abortion among Roman Catholics is considerably higher than among
Protestants and is equal to that of the general population.
We are merely reporters. We do not pass moral judgments on people
who promote abortion access or women who obtain abortions. We feel
that our visitors need to know what the real situation is, so we
report all viewpoints. Please don't be furious with us; we are just
reporting reality. |
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 | I ma a Catholic, and we do not even believe in BIRTH CONTROL, much
less ABORTION as a morally acceptable choice.
 | It is not clear to what group you are referring when you mention
"we:" Again, the magesterium is unalterably opposed to all of
the "artificial" methods of birth control; they do allow what they
regard as natural methods. But polls show that Roman Catholic laity
use birth control about as frequently as the general population.
This shows up in the average number of children born to Roman
Catholic families. They are within a few percentage of the rest of
the population. You may be personally opposed to birth control. The
magesterium certainly is. But the general population of Roman
Catholics certainly are not.
You might want to read a couple of books on this topic:
Tobin "The American religious debate over birth control 1907 - 1937"
Leslie Tentler, "Catholics and Contraception: An American History"
Again, please don't shoot the messenger. I can understand why you
are distressed at the widespread acceptance of abortion, abortion
access, contraceptive use and contraceptive availability. But don't
take it out on us. We are just reporting reality. |
|
 | You...are a group of f--king idiots!
 | That comment does not reflect well on your faith -- either on
Christianity or Roman Catholicism. |
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Change the name of this web site:
Incoming E-mail: Change the website from "religious tolerance"
to "religious acceptance."
Our response: Thanks for the suggestion, but I think that we
should retain "religious tolerance" Many people interpret the term "religious
acceptance" as meaning that they must accept the beliefs of other
religions as equally valid and true, when compared to their own beliefs.
We don't want to promote that message. We welcome and celebrate religious
diversity. We feel that diversity is OK, even if people believe that their
religion alone is the "true" faith and that all other faiths are at least
partly false.
Our main concern is that people accept the right of others to have religious
freedom: to hold different religious ideas -- no matter how strange they
seem. So we are working towards a culture in which people can hold
tenaciously to their own beliefs, can reject or partly reject the validity
of the beliefs of others, and work tirelessly to prevent anyone from
experiencing religious oppression or discrimination.
So, for example, if a Christian student is prohibited from wearing a
crucifix or cross, or a Jewish student is prohibited from wearing a Star of
David, or a Wiccan student is prohibited from wearing a Pentacle, the
outrage would be the same. It would be loud and persistent until the
student's human rights were respected. We can and should fight for the
students' rights even though we totally reject some of their religious
beliefs.


Copyright © 2003 to 2005 by Ontario Consultants on Religious
Tolerance
Originally written: 2003-APR-11
Latest update: 2005-MAR-02
Author: B.A. Robinson

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