Same-sex marriages come to Idaho.
Part 4 of 6: Hitching Post Wedding Chapel:
More confusion added by Christian Broadcasting
Network and Mike Huckabee. Resolution begins
w/ report by the American Civil Liberties Union.
The term "LGBT" is a widely used acronym for the Lesbian,
Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender/Transsexual community.
2014-OCT-21: More confusing comments posted to the Christian Broadcasting Network's video:
- marek0086 responded:
"This is SO tyrannical!. FORCING Christians to marry gay people!?. I'm sure there's a way these Christians can 'marry' these shameless homo's in such a way where they don't get any 'blood on their hands'... so to speak. Just emphasize that this 'marriage' is only recognized by the state and not by God. The gays shouldn't care because they don't believe in God anyway. ..." 1
The comment by "marek0086" about the religious beliefs of the LGBT community appears to be in error. The well known and respected evangelical Christian pollster George Barna conducted a study of the religious beliefs of lesbians and gays during 2009. He reported:
"People who portray gay adults as godless, hedonistic, Christian bashers are not working with the facts. A substantial majority of gays cite their faith as a central facet of their life, consider themselves to be Christian, and claim to have some type of meaningful personal commitment to Jesus Christ active in their life today." 2
In addition, there would be a small percentage of the LGBT community who sincerely follow a religion other than Christianity.
Although the poll by Barna was conducted in 2009, it is unlikely that the data has changed much in the past six years.
More comments posted to the Christian Broadcasting Network's video (Cont'd):
- Natalie Herbertz responded to marek0086::
"People have a right to religion, but they do not have a right to force their religion on others. On the same note it is not oppression to refuse your right to oppress others.
- marek0086 responded:
- "+Natalie Herbertz You don't make sense. Are you saying that REFUSING to marry a gay couple is oppression... and 'forcing your religion on others'??.
- Michael Hall wrote:
"i'm a Lefty, and i would not want to force any minister to perform a gay wedding. The separation of church and state works both ways.....your minister doesn't have the right to force religious bills in government and the courts, and the courts can't force a minister to marry me and my partner.....and shouldn't! 1
[Grammar, punctuation, and spelling corrected.]
2014-OCT-21: Mike Huckabee weighs in to the confusion:
Mike Huckabee is the former Governor of Arkansas and a Republican candidate for the presidency in 2016. David Badash, wrote an article titled: "Mike Huckabee's False, Fear-Mongering Facebook Rant About 'Hitching Post' Gay Marriage Story" for The New Civil Rights Movement (NCRM). The NCRM is a pro-equality group. Badash wrote:
"Along comes the Alliance Defending Freedom, a Christian law firm that has fought and lost same-sex marriage [lawsuits] from California to Virginia. They somehow convinced Donald and Evelyn Knapp to sue their beloved city over the non-discrimination ordinance, despite the fact that no same-sex couple has asked the Knapps to marry them, no one has filed a complaint with the City, and the City has even told the Knapps they would work with them to help them. ..." [Emphasis was not in the original.]
"... Huckabee wrote on Facebook yesterday:
'Donald and Evelyn Knapp own a wedding chapel in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, called The Hitching Post. They’re both ordained ministers and devoutly religious, so they declined to perform a same-sex wedding. * ... If they refuse to violate their religious beliefs and marry gay couples, they’ll face – brace yourself – up to 180 days in jail and a fine of $1000 a day'. * 3
* These are untrue. The Knapps have not declined to perform a same-sex wedding. The fine under the human rights ordinance can range from zero dollars to $1,000 per incident -- not per day.
Badash continued with a quotation from the City of Coeur d' Alene's Facebook page:
"In fact, the city has received no complaints about the Hitching Post and we have never threatened them. If we did get a complaint we would investigate it like any other complaint to determine if there is a legitimate violation of a city code. If we investigate it and determine that they fall within our exemption for religious corporations, we would not pursue it further. ..." 3
"City of Coeur d' Alene spokesperson Keith Erickson made clear that the City has 'never threatened to jail them, or take legal action of any kind'." 3
2014-OCT-23: Finally the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) injected some reality into the Hitching Post Chapel situation:
The ACLU announced that it will not challenge the chapel's decision to discriminate against same-sex couples because the chapel is exempt from the city's Human Rights legislation.
This came as a surprise to many religious liberals and civil rights workers who had assumed that the Hitching Post Chapel was a for-profit public accommodation and thus had to conform to the city ordinance or be subject to heavy fines.
Leo Morales. the ACLU's interim executive director said that the chapel had registered as a religious corporation in the state almost a month previously. 4 This may have been in anticipation of the court ruling in favor of marriage equality that was delivered by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals on 2014-OCT-13. Marriage equality came to the state of Idaho two days later, on OCT-15.
The following information sources were used to prepare and update the above
essay. The hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today.
- "Idaho Ministers Told Perform Gay Marriage or Go to Jail," Christian Broadcasting Network, on You Tube, 2014-OCT-21, at: https://www.youtube.com/
- Candace Chellew-Hodge, "New poll shows gays and lesbians believe in God," Religion Dispatches, 2009-JUN-26, at: http://religiondispatches.org/
- David Badash, "Mike Huckabee's False, Fear-Mongering Facebook Rant About 'Hitching Post' Gay Marriage Story," The New Civil Rights Movement. 2014-OCT-22, at: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/
- David Badash, "Entire Hitching Post Controversy Is False: ACLU Finds Chapel Falls Under Religious Exemption," The New Civil Rights Movement, 2014-OCT-24, at: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/
Copyright © 2014 & 2015 by Ontario Consultants on Religious
Originally written: 2014-OCT-23
Latest update: 2015-JUL-28
Author: B.A. Robinson